Most of the funeral will be celebrated in Latin, and there will be incense and hymns and Gregorian chants. Attended by dozens of heads of state, monarchs and other dignitaries, it will be, in any case, a spectacle. And at the center of it all will be Francis’ simple coffin, on the esplanade of St. Peter’s Basilica.

Eyewitness News anchor Mike Marza has been in Rome since the passing of Pope Francis. He covered the funeral mass at St. Peter's Square and the procession from outside the basilica across town, where he will be buried.

Father James Martin, a Jesuit like Pope Francis, and editor at America Media, the Jesuit Review of Faith and Culture, joined WNYC’s All Things Considered on the eve of the funeral to discuss the Pope’s legacy here and abroad. The interview between Martin and host Sean Carlson has been lightly edited for clarity.\